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Grae_
Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:05 pm

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IL devs, we need to talk

Hi guys :)

So I'd like to talk about the way FL's handling of names is done, as I believe it suffers big problems. Let me take a first example with this picture :
Does not make sense.png
Here is the problem : if I rename the Mixer Insert ''Synth'' to any other name, nothing else than this mixer insert name appears to change. In particular the automation clip is no renamed at all... The problem as you can imagine comes when you have a project where a few tenth of automations clips are present, and since naming does not rename things in a meaningful way it is either : you rename everything manually ; or you don't rename anything at all.

As a consequence over time, project are messy, hard to reorganize and sometimes even difficult to keep working on.
Now I'd like to counter right now the argument of ''you have to be organized yourself'' as it doesn't hold at all.

Indeed, for the first clips you make, you can rename easily, but one has to be really stubborn to think that over the course of a project, not many things gets changed, modified, deleted, etc. And every single modification of a name has to be applied to ALL the corresponding objects for you to hope to stay organized... it is painfully painful (yes, painfully painful) and makes you feel any creative modification of your project will end up in a crazy reorganizing task.

But since pointing a problem without offering a solution is not really constructive here is a possibility :
makessense.png
Let me explain :
Here the clips are generated with what I call "Name fields". Those name field are taking the name of the object they are attached/linked to in a dynamic manner. The idea is that renaming the mixer insert will create an event that will allow the transmission of this new name information to all the clips that have this name field in use. As a consequence : all the clips get renammed accordingly. No matter if it is 1 clips or 1000.

Practical example :
Starting point :
(name of the clip, as it is with STATIC naming) --> Synth - Par. EQ2 - Band 5 Frequency
(name of the clip, as it I propose with LINKED naming) --> <MixerInsertName> - <FXName> - <ParamName>

If I rename the mixer insert to "Lead", then in the current FL naming scheme the automation clip will remain the same, which is :
Synth - Par. EQ2 - Band 5 Frequency
--> this name is not relevant anymore = problem

With the linked name technique I propose, since the mixer insert name changes, the <MixerInsertName> field will change accordingly, and thus the clip name becomes :
Lead - Par. EQ2 - Band 5 Frequency
--> this now name makes perfect sense and help keep the playlist organized and clear

What do you think about this idea IL ?
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m@RV
Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:53 pm

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I generally like the concept, but what about cl...

Shinyless
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:10 pm

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m@RV wrote:I generally like the concept, but wh...

einfachfelix
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:47 pm

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Shinyless wrote:m@RV wrote:I generally like the...

ReedIndeed
Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:36 pm

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einfachfelix wrote:Shinyless wrote:m@RV wrote:I...

Dion
Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:59 pm

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Just because there are complex edge cases to co...

zippy731
Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:31 pm

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Dion wrote:Just because there are complex edge ...

D3Mens
Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:24 pm

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Shinyless wrote:m@RV wrote:I generally like the...

Grae_
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:38 am

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Dion wrote:Just because there are complex edge ...

sql_error_uname
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:22 am

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there might be different viewpoints since every...

Grae_
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:46 am

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sql_error_uname wrote:there might be different ...

sql_error_uname
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:53 am

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resolV wrote: No naming convetion can solve a p...

D3Mens
Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:29 pm

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The first parameter from which you have created...

xbitz
Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:56 pm

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I would add knob(surface/dashboard dunno contro...
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Grae_
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:34 pm

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Madma wrote:The first parameter from which you ...
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sql_error_uname
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:38 pm

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mabye it's too specific. macros would be a good...

shroomhead_one
Content Creator
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:50 pm

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purple.PNG gonna have to say this again. work ...
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xbitz
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:56 pm

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sure, the nicest way is creating a lovely templ...

ReedIndeed
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:03 pm

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Madma wrote:The first parameter from which you ...

Z8phyR
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:03 pm

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shroomhead_one wrote:purple.PNG gonna have to ...

einfachfelix
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 pm

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ReedIndeed wrote:einfachfelix wrote:Shinyless w...

m.letcher
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:38 pm

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For multi-target clips, it might just be easier...

Grae_
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:49 pm

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ReedIndeed wrote:You guys are all acting like i...

werz
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:54 pm

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How about just Name - Target (plugin) - Paramet...

Grae_
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:55 pm

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This forum is dead seriously... We can't just h...

ReedIndeed
Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:05 pm

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einfachfelix wrote:ReedIndeed wrote:einfachfeli...

xbitz
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:01 pm

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werz wrote:How about just Name - Target (plugin...

Dion
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:21 pm

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ReedIndeed wrote:The problem is that you are ma...

sql_error_uname
Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:58 pm

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why should they all have the same name ? i dont...

Manitsky
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:34 pm

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So, this is too much for me to read. But, I wi...

sql_error_uname
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:36 pm

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Manitsky wrote:So, this is too much for me to r...

ReedIndeed
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:25 pm

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Dion wrote:ReedIndeed wrote:The problem is that...

Bypherkator
Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:02 am

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I'm fine whether this happens or not. I'm just ...

werz
Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:13 am

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They know. It's figuring out what works and mak...

Manitsky
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:15 am

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sql_error_uname wrote:Manitsky wrote:So, this i...

donkeytugger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:28 am

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ReedIndeed wrote: First you rename the mixer in...
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Dion
Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:09 am

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ReedIndeed wrote:The current system isn't reall...

Trancit
Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:22 am

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Manitsky wrote:sql_error_uname wrote:Manitsky w...

Trancit
Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:34 am

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For me, it´s a clear NOOOO!!! to all this "auto...

Dion
Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:44 am

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Trancit wrote:And how this should work in reali...

sql_error_uname
Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:58 am

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this is only one special case so you'll need to...

Dion
Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:09 am

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That's not for us to do, we as the users just n...

xbitz
Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:11 am

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btw, as milestone 1, would be nice if the hover...

D3Mens
Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:59 am

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sql_error_uname wrote:this is only one special ...

sql_error_uname
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:30 am

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Madma wrote:OMG! ... here I've already listed ...

sql_error_uname
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:32 am

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the time and text you've spent her typing excee...

sql_error_uname
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:35 am

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you tell others that you know how they use the ...

D3Mens
Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:17 am

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sql_error_uname wrote:you tell others that you ...

einfachfelix
Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:26 pm

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haha no one reads Madmas posts right, but tries...

Shinyless
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:10 pm

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einfachfelix wrote:also a macro "auto rename au...


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