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manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:03 pm

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Visual flair or stability in Fl9

So, Fl9 is out, full of new bells and whistles, a prettier interface etc etc. Very exciting.

But there is something that puzzles me.

Why is it that Image line can make such a great, innovative daw, full of tools that you just can't find anywhere else, and with a gui that puts most sequencers 4 times the price to shame, but can't make it stable.

I have had a long term love affair with fruity, having purchased it around version 3 (or maybe 4. Had a cracked early version which a friend gave me and decided I wanted the real thing). It was and still is the most creative tool for creating beats, working with midi and mashng audio. I use it as a drum machine, audio editor, loop generator etc etc.

But I don't use it as my main sequencer.

Why not? Because it's massively cpu intensive and it just crashes all the time. I can afford to spend short bursts, messing with samples or building a loop, knowing that if it just does that 'fruity freeze', not too much time has been wasted. But I can't commit to it for anything more than that, and sometimes I abandon it altogether for weeks at a time, only to be tempted back by its toybox treats.

I don't think I'm alone in this, and I don't believe the fault is my computer (I can run reaper/Traktion/NI standalones for hours on end with no freezing/crashing behaviour). As an example, I am, as of the now, sitting here, listening to a loop I just built using 3 samplers and an instance of FPC, all fruity, all internal. I just loaded and instance of grossbeat to process the sampler tracks and BAM. Sound is still going, but my project is locked up and my Daw can only be brought round by administering a swift but deadly blow to fruity with a kung fu CTRL-ALT-DEL.

All of this leads me to wonder, as I gaze at the slick new interface with its animated drag and drop and transparent file-loading bars, why do our friends at image line seem to think that what the FL user base mainly want with each version upgrade is a slicker UI?

Frankly, FL6 was slick enough for me. Imagine if the time that has gone into rebuilding the UI had gone into product stability? Or resource management (check out reaper for an example of this. I can run about 10 times as much stuff on my cpu with reaper as I can with fruity). Is everyone else on this forum running an I7 with a terrabyte of Ram? When did cpu resources cease to be an issue for computer musicians? Did I miss a meeting?

All of this sounds like a rant, and I guess it is, but it isn't meant to be ungrateful or anything. I suppose it is more of a frustrated, last ditch letter to the program I love. I don't wanna leave you, fruity, but you make it hard to stay. You lure me back with your flashy charms, but as soon as the chips are down and I actually have work to do and deadlines to meet, you drive me crazy with your unpredictable behaviour, and I run into the arms of Reaper or Traktion looking for solace and a solid, reliable workflow.

So there is my question, folks. Am I alone in feeling this way? Is it unreasonable to expect efficency and stability before gizmos (albeit beautiful gizmos)? I await your thoughts. In the meantime, I'm firing up reaper to finish this project.

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:14 pm

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if you have something we can reproduce, we can ...

manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:45 pm

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Which is fine Gol, but other sequencers do do b...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:53 pm

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Which brings me to reiterate my other point. FL...

reflex
Site Admin
Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:53 pm

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If you get crashes in FL, using plugins or not,...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:15 pm

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Obviously you must be having problems, it just ...

vic
Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:20 pm

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Agreed. FL rarely, if ever, crashes on me. As ...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:42 pm

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I just stressed out FL by doing several stupid ...
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manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:51 pm

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No, absolutely not, MrAlex. Part of my reason f...

manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:53 pm

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PS What sort of spec of system are you gentleme...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:01 pm

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manhippo wrote:PS What sort of spec of system a...

swede
Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:04 pm

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Core 2 Duo 4GB of ram Windows Vista Never had...

vic
Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:33 pm

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Previously: P4 2.8GHz w/ 2GB RAM, DMX6FIRE, XP ...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:45 pm

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After about 10 minutes FL crashed can you atta...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:09 pm

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The GUI stopped responding. I wouldn't expect ...
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gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:14 pm

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does that one hang faster for you? What if you...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:21 pm

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Yep, I'm running it in the background too... O...

Maranello
Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:23 pm

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lol at 49 bpm it sounds like a cammed engine ru...

Digidirt
Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:01 pm

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my crash: happens very frequently and it's alwa...

adamszabo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:10 pm

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gol wrote: As for VST's, because FL mixes in "t...

alphanimal
Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:50 pm

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Just a question of interest: If FL crashes, wou...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:32 pm

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If FL crashes, would it help you, gol, if I'd m...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:34 pm

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Hmm..that means any plugin with an ilock is bad...

alphanimal
Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:06 pm

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gol wrote:If FL crashes, would it help you, gol...
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Another David
Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:32 pm

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MrAlex wrote:Yep, I'm running it in the backgro...

manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:39 pm

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Re your question, MrAlex, my computer is a pent...

vic
Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:46 pm

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I would not be surprised if you're running out ...

MrAlex
Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:59 pm

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Could it be related to SSE stuff? Not sure whe...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:42 pm

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Could it be related to SSE stuff? no, the P4 ...

manhippo
Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:56 pm

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It's a prescott chip. It was right on the cusp ...

gol
Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:03 pm

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Btw Gol, turning off the multithreading has mad...

Labelwhore
Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:10 pm

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I don't think you should be seeing many issues ...

melonrobotics
Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:16 pm

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As weird as it is for me to say this.....Sonar ...

vic
Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:13 pm

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manhippo wrote:Btw Gol, turning off the multith...

reflex
Site Admin
Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:45 am

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da last addict wrote:my crash: happens very fre...

mooq
Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:19 pm

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Just to chime in... FL has crashed exactly two ...

Pete
Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:22 pm

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I've had problems with FL and Native Instrumen...

Snoku
Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:20 pm

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Re: Visual flair or stability in Fl9

manhippo wrote:... with its animated drag and d...

FLFr3ak
Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:03 pm

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Sometimes it also happens to me. It doesn't ma...

manhippo
Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:17 pm

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Sadly, I can't fit any more ram into this machi...

Digidirt
Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:13 pm

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reflex wrote:Does it happen if you select the "...


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