The very reason the joke works is because it imitates a specific person. That is demeaning towards that person.
You can try to cancel it with rhetoric, but the fact remains that the joke depends entirely on specific person being imitated, and that he is noticeably different from most others here, and thus easy to single out for purposes of amusing others.
I am certain that most of us here can, if they so wish, find enough capacity for empathy in themselves to realize how that can feel bad from perspective of the person being imitated and singled out.
Interestingly enough, I vaguely remember some stand-up comedian also claiming that same justification - "I'm laughing at the joke, not the person!". The problem is that without that person there could be no joke! So I disagreed with that attempt at justification then, as I disagree with it now.
For my part: because I've been in situations where people laugh at me because I'm different. I know how it feels to be singled out and mocked for characteristics of my person. I know how it feels to be the laughingstock of a tribe. And, to my shame, I have also made such situations come upon others.iRelevant wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:35 pmTrue, until then why don't we assume the best instead of the worst ?
Looking at it from both sides, I think no-one should have that forced upon them, even if something they've done in the past may have been questionable. It's almost always traumatic for the person being singled out, and it can turn out badly for the tribe as well.
As much as I sometimes disagree with the person at whose expense the joke was made in this thread, I cannot just watch as you fellows do to him what was done to me [in another time, in another place] and what I've done to others.
I'll be happy to stand corrected, and admit overreaction on my part, if he turns out and says it's all OK.
But I don't think that is likely to happen. Via that joke, and all the likes and arguments for it, the many of you have taken power over the one of him, and there is hardly any way for a person to re-empower themselves while being so outnumbered. That situation tends to leave only few options for the one:
- submit to tribe's hierarchy and judgement, and accept being target of jokes;
- or take a leave from the tribe;
- or try to continue an uneasy relationship with the tribe while being aware of not being welcome in it.
Time will tell which of those happens in the future, if any.
I do not see myself as being morally superior or righteous here. I spoke out because I felt compelled to speak out, in part due to my own past experiences. Behind my forum persona, I might actually be less of a decent person than many others here - at least, I often feel that way.Zephyrean wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:11 pmIt seems that some people better understand the value of moral, consideration and integrity than others. I guess that indeed makes us morally superior, as they continue to battle in defense of their own insensitivity with hyperbolic and meaningless statements that attempt to make the righteous look bad for being good...
In general, I think that considering oneself to have moral superiority tends to bring a big risk of self-deception and hubris. I am fairly sure that speaking out in this thread was the right thing to do for me, on human level. But I don't dare to claim moral superiority on that basis, nor do I expect others here to measure themselves by my yardstick, anymore than I will tolerate my person being measured by theirs.