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xkribble
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:03 pm

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I don't generally participate in forum discussions as I'm new to the community, however this issue is so crucial I can't help it. There are 2 chains of thought here, creativity and legality. Uncreativity sucks but does not merit being sued in and of itself. If there is no intent, and there was not a cease and desist then Deadmau5 should take that action first ... and it should be issued to IL as well. if IL has license to distribute those loops that MUST be defined and made clear to users, and placing them in the packs folder rather than a demo folder gives me the impression they are for my use. And anything that is for my use is for commercial purposes, that is in fact why I gave my $ to IL.

this whole thing shakes my trust in the company and has me deeply considering another DAW which angers me because of my limited budget. To me integrity is far more important than creativity, I for one had found those loops and had no idea that they were "provided" by Deadmau5. In fact I had never heard of him until I purchased FL.

This is what's found in the license and release form for those submitting songs for Deckadance .
2. Grant of License. You hereby unconditionally and free of all third party rights, claims and encumbrances
grant to IL a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable, sublicensable
license to reproduce (permanent or temporary, by any means and in any form, in part or in whole), adapt,
prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, distribute and exploit Your Contributions
and such derivative works and adaptations. Except for the license granted herein to IL, You reserve all
right, title, and interest in and to Your Contributions.
granted this is for complete songs and so obviously not for my use... but ... if IL takes measures to protect themselves and not us, the ones giving our $ to IL, that is completely outrageous. IL has a responsibility to either protect via licensing or CLEARLY warn by BOTH documentation and the placement of the resource into a demo folder.

IL please answer this... and please answer well ... I prefer FL and would like to continue to prefer IL.

Peace

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Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:04 pm

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JM, you're being obtuse. Demo songs are one th...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:06 pm

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jmc wrote:nucleon wrote:a user assumes the samp...

vic
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:08 pm

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It's not good enough to expect people to work i...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:12 pm

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spectroman wrote: ignorance isn't an excuse. ...

JWMMakerofMusic
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:31 pm

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spectroman wrote: ignorance isn't an excuse. ...

jc62
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:34 pm

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I am nor looking for excuses for the original p...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:38 pm

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jc62 wrote:Right, I am off to check my other sa...

jmc
Site Admin
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 pm

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nucleon wrote:the samples discussed here are in...

Jed I Knight
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 pm

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JWMMakerofMusic wrote:spectroman wrote: ignoran...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:42 pm

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jmc wrote:For over 10 years it has always been ...
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jmc
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Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:43 pm

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jc62 wrote:users will be prompted with a legal ...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:44 pm

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jmc wrote:jc62 wrote:users will be prompted wit...

L.M
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:48 pm

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Its looks like, these samples need to be placed...
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jmc
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Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:53 pm

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Toxikator wrote:I would have had no idea that t...

jc62
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:57 pm

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jmc, thanks for clarifying. Well I am thinki...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:58 pm

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jmc wrote:Toxikator wrote:I would have had no i...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:02 pm

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jc62 wrote:Well I am thinking about deleting al...

QuantumCHAOS
Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:38 pm

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jmc wrote:nucleon wrote:the samples discussed h...

Thomas Ziano
Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:40 pm

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Just imagine you need to park your car. You se...

jmc
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Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:46 pm

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napalam wrote:JMC, it's way too many times I've...

jmc
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Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:56 pm

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Thomas Ziano wrote:"Then put a goddamn sign the...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:01 pm

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jmc wrote:While we're at it : (Most of) the oth...

QuantumCHAOS
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:06 pm

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jmc wrote:napalam wrote:JMC, it's way too many ...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:08 pm

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napalam wrote:jmc wrote:napalam wrote:JMC, it's...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:36 pm

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jmc wrote: that any melodic or rhythmic stuff (...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:42 pm

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spectroman wrote:nucleon wrote:spectroman wrote...

tearsoftechnology
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:49 pm

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jmc wrote:Although I'd expect it to be pretty c...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:51 pm

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nucleon wrote:jmc wrote:While we're at it : (Mo...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:58 pm

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tearsoftechnology wrote:jmc wrote:Although I'd ...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:59 pm

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Look I'm willing to and have apologized to the ...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:03 pm

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nucleon wrote:tearsoftechnology wrote:jmc wrote...

jc62
Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:13 pm

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I don't understand why some keep dragging this ...

JWMMakerofMusic
Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:17 pm

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How is it supposed to be obvious that it was a ...

Jason Brian Merrill
Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:58 pm

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dirtycircuit wrote:Look I'm willing to and have...

spectroman
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:04 pm

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jc62 wrote:I am nor looking for excuses for the...
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Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:05 pm

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jmc wrote:Thomas Ziano wrote:"Then put a goddam...

davidbuhau
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:08 pm

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here's the bottom line... people should not "ne...

Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:13 pm

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davidbuhau wrote:knowing the source is key. Yo...

spectroman
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:17 pm

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Toxikator wrote:jmc wrote:Thomas Ziano wrote:"T...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:18 pm

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Toxikator wrote:davidbuhau wrote:knowing the so...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

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davidbuhau wrote:here's the bottom line... peop...

de la Mancha
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

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It's all news to me that the loops are not roya...

wsuboh
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:28 pm

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jc62 wrote:I don't understand why some keep dra...

spectroman
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:29 pm

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dirtycircuit wrote: Yeah I don't care if you g...

dirtycircuit
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:30 pm

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wsuboh wrote:jc62 wrote:I don't understand why ...

nucleon
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:32 pm

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spectroman wrote:They are obviously clips of fu...

spectroman
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:36 pm

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nucleon wrote:spectroman wrote:They are obvious...

wsuboh
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:39 pm

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dirtycircuit wrote:wsuboh wrote:jc62 wrote:I do...
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Toxikator
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:40 pm

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spectroman wrote:The only thing Image-Line did ...


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