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мя.ωοηδяομs
Fri May 11, 2018 1:07 pm

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Workaround for PDC in FLStudio 20

So today I tried again.

Reflex said it goes and @ this point I can vindicate, but this work around is very hardcore and this is only a simple Test.

Host Bufferlength 512smp / 12ms
Playback Driver = Driver (Mixer is not accurate enough for MIDI timing)

PDCMixerStateII.png

SamplerKick run true channel 14 with 7 UAD plugs
Channel 1 is the Metronome without any plugs

When we diasable Automatic and remove all PDC values, then both tracks are out of sync
When we enable now Automatic, also both tracks are out of sync
(@This point we can fix them with PDC value 91.43ms @ the Inputlatency from Metronome)


This came from the UAD plugs, automatic PDC will @ this point set in 3 channels TI (185.76ms), Kick (91.43ms) & Overbridge (212.15ms)
When we disable the plugs in Channel 14 then they will in Sync (Metronome&Kick)
(But only when we remove 91.43ms value that we added in the Metronme channel)

So we remove the value from the Metronome channel
Now we look what the MidiOut Channel says, the Audio routed back into the Mixerchannel 15
So we have around 45ms difference delayed to the metronome, also when we enable the plugs in Kickchannel (here we need a higher playback offset -200%/29ms are not enough in this case, dont konw from where the delay came, I tried different midi devices)

Now I tried to come in Sync with the metronome
1st I tried in Channel 15 Input latency +45ms, this take no effect @ this point (@ +1000ms only the grafic output of the Levelmeters (metronome) will delayed by 1000ms)
2nd now -45ms this will move away from sync so we now @91.43ms (@ -1000ms all Levelmeters will be delayed by 1000ms and also the MIDIsound)

Same can we do this again @ the track latency
1st is identical
2nd is also indetical (@ 1000ms the Meters shown correctly with an minimum start delay, but in correct order and time)



We have tested that we come only in real sync with the "playback offset" in audiosettings!


OK, back on track Kick & Metronome are synced with the options above
That means that only TI&Overbridge will have an Automatic PDC entry

Now switch on Audio from TI and we are not in sync, with an delay from 91.xx ms
The Inputlatency on channel 12 will do nothing (audio related) with an positive entry & a negative entry will increase the delay more (here are also the grafics delayed,see description above)
To come with the metronome in Sync we have to add -91ms to the Tracklatency of the metronome, in this case the Drum will dropped out of sync or right descripted, the TI&Metronome will be delayed to the Drum by 91ms, this can be avoided to add an Inputlatency (91.xxms) to the Drumchannel (plugs are deactivated, you know)

OK It,s in SYNC now, 2 values from Automatic & 2 values added manual

So we want to hear what the next plugin do, so we switch on the OverBridge and it's out of Sync
The Inputlatency do that, what we described above, but we come not in sync, we need 110ms to come in SYNC
So we set Metronome track latency to -203 & the Kick latency to 203ms, that we come in SYNC

Here can we also activate our plugins in the Kickchannel and have to set the 203ms to 112ms

So @ this point the TI is again out of SYNC, that can we fix with an Inputlatency from -55ms in the TI Channel
So now the MIDIplug are out of SYNC again, the metronome is delayed by 155ms


@ this point my inclination is going & I dind't want to spend more time with the new PDC functions.
Reflex I will help you where I can, so write some sentence to me ...
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мя.ωοηδяομs
Fri May 11, 2018 1:19 pm

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Re: Workaround for PDC in FLStudio 20

reflex wrote:мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:-If I want to tw...

reflex
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Mon May 14, 2018 9:50 am

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I'm going to read this in detail in a bit, but ...

reflex
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Mon May 14, 2018 1:55 pm

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мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:MIDIOut for an external synth...

мя.ωοηδяομs
Sat May 19, 2018 2:41 pm

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reflex wrote:What is the latency of each of the...
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reflex
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Wed May 23, 2018 3:50 pm

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Does it work better if you set an output on the...

reflex
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Thu May 24, 2018 8:12 am

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Looking at the flp, some questions: 1. what is ...



Scott
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Sun May 27, 2018 7:15 am

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мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:With the same project, where ...

мя.ωοηδяομs
Mon May 28, 2018 3:22 am

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Mixer Mode is unstable, because Miditiming isn'...
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Scott
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Tue May 29, 2018 4:24 am

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If you are using external synth hardware, the s...


Jeronenl
Tue May 29, 2018 7:34 pm

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I have big Latency problems too with the Virus ...
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Jeronenl
Thu May 31, 2018 9:44 pm

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Is there somebody who can help? Maybe sombody ...


doctea
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:25 pm

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I'm also having problems with compensating for ...

Jeronenl
Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:23 pm

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Yes Doctea, same problems here, indeed very fru...
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Scott
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:22 am

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Can't you fix this with the Plugin Latency Cont...

Jeronenl
Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:04 am

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I have got it working!!! I use the Asio driver...


reflex
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:05 am

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мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:No because, there is an repor...


reflex
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:43 am

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The metronome is still on the todo list, I'm no...


Dawnchaser
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:16 am

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Just chiming in here - I too am having an issue...
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Robiaster
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:37 am

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Not at this point in time. We are however in th...

reflex
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:09 pm

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мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:PS: with update 20.0.3 the UA...

мя.ωοηδяομs
Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:41 pm

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reflex wrote:мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:PS: with update ...
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мя.ωοηδяομs
Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:38 pm

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reflex wrote:мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:PS: with update ...

reflex
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:50 am

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мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:2nd ~ APDC will not work in r...

мя.ωοηδяομs
Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:42 pm

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reflex wrote:мя.ωοηδяομs wrote:2nd ~ APDC will ...

Robiaster
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:12 am

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Could you send us a stripped down template that...



мя.ωοηδяομs
Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:49 am

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Very simple test object, but it's strange also ...
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mikegonsolin
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:49 am

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Has there been any fix to this guys? I'm runnin...

Robiaster
Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:50 am

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I assume this is an issue related only to UAD p...




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